Aptinyx (APTX)

Pat Flavin IR
Andy Kidd CEO
Ashish Khanna CFO
Kathryn King SVP of Clinical and CMC operations
Harald Murck VP of Medical and Clinical Affairs
Ritu Baral Cowen
Charles Duncan Cantor Fitzgerald
Myles Minter William Blair
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Good afternoon, and welcome to the Aptinyx First Quarter 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised the call is being recorded at the company's request. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Pat Flavin, Senior Manager of Corporate Development and Investor Relations at Aptinyx. Pat, please proceed.

Pat Flavin

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss Aptinyx' first quarter 2022 financial and operating results. quarter visit our section results press highlights the to website the and you from view to release first invite the of Investors Aptinyx business We XXXX. of describing financial discuss Chief Andy our call, financial will progress; and Officer, clinical our On and our Khanna, Chief today's and our Kidd, business Ashish review Officer Chief results. President Executive will Financial then Officer, development Business that the I include statements of to would everyone made will Litigation within remind conference and uncertainties Securities XXXX, forward-looking this Private actual that statements of can materially. which meaning differ risks during the call Act cause like Reform to results involve Any any statements and made update today, of we obligation forward-looking disclaim only these are as to forward-looking statements. disclaimer this release statement in financial see with subsequent factors risk the afternoon the company's SEC. in issued current the and the filings forward-looking results our and Please It's now to over my Andy. call pleasure turn the to

Andy Kidd

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Ashish Khanna

ended We to compared with first $XXX.X in Thank cash you, equivalents quarter $XXX.X end of of XXXX. sheet. XXXX at cash and the the Beginning with Andy. the million balance million

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Andy Kidd

Ashish. Thanks,

across disappointment pipeline. our see, you our despite results, great can with also we've DPN progress clinical the As made

stream data a record executing a a approach balance even our of environment. we We We external have readout challenging and a our support team excited in steady committed about or and the August. can strong with next fibromyalgia upcoming pipeline of in July track and the in XXXX remain as optimistic sheet potential half a second readouts that of of

to be now. begin taking happy will questions your We


Ritu question The is from Cowen. the Baral Instructions] line with of [Operator first

Ritu Baral

coming question up. for on the agents XXXX, A readout fibromyalgia the

any I'm You at scientific well potential mentioned that at living activities looking mechanism daily function approval the guidance, within been And so, you larger sleep or that, separation present and sleep. any discussion versus sorry, NRS as any on pain? pain? separate for fatigue Is also to -- are given that versus there path language and and there first fatigue has rationale a as of could looking a daily centralized the alternate if you're

Andy Kidd

Ritu. Thanks, Yes.

to they're generate being to rationale, just of terms delta, able potentially ability than symptoms think pain. I improve molecule larger being the in more mechanistic a for the think, there's I So a

they think in in measuring there but there. we're I be there larger, to why is measuring a think we I I obviously have think should them. there's interest enough reason certainly that's to could believe and interested that data don't an there's that them say -- potential believe certainly be

in approved approved reported of The been some The fibromyalgia fibromyalgia for but a have the label impact question agents all bit second on is we for know. there patient being approved the that's endpoints, basis precedence part really little unknown. pain is the of products, your of included questionnaire all

that. So we haven't had a discussion with FDA about

so that TBD. And remains I think

other our I can with sleep conversations that to and perspective in clinicians, think pain is particular, and our bothersome based more on be and there is to fibromyalgia symptoms, some of very patients. fatigue these

part pathway hope And a But approval. could our the base drug pain got that that captured could precedented prior so study as assumption pain now patients right we reflected from during would or and think the that any endpoint of to I be to be is our approval. pathway primary the is benefit is

Ritu Baral

issues wave of or due in study? I'm integrity data that comments any conduct the on dropouts COVID to any And -- loss just general sorry, latest

Andy Kidd

the operationally study fibromyalgia, parameters so see did study issues. that our far similar the have we didn't any in I in in expectations. with it's that think And way tracking tracking of that line in way operational think to most I study the a in been DPN


question Charles Duncan line next Fitzgerald. of is The with from the Cantor

Charles Duncan

of of else? the -- a secondarily, terms follow on. anything working tracking you of conduct course how conduct, guess, I -- terms of I to while on as And if ask a patients you the in regard that couple then that that on in study wondering up the want the drug over how you kind that of guess Ashish. study confidence XX guess, of the study. the sleep, are on I'm is actually some feedback I Ritu and some the basis, some they And and was dropouts were information report Andy that and and I there's is, on questions with about weeks? following or had blinded up gives XXXX fatigue that or fibromyalgia anything they to of the of going the I from of feel

Andy Kidd

Yes. Thanks, Yes. Charles.

my is I comments -- a fibromyalgia think so high on study yes. the level the at

and good feel track. is operations. what conduct. our we see give the Clinical on comments you have Kathryn see to SVP to King just any to operationally chance in we terms Kathryn, of on CMC looks I line do the think have know, just of be we I -- study just want I everything want who, to that you on if a you more on as

Kathryn King

Yes, I Andy. you, agree with

our a good blinded adherence. general, think way that And having have in we're think said, We're we sites conversations about data would in that as we a -- we're blinded with proceeding, expected. quality you the that review on protocol I way. I seeing in

Andy Kidd

Charles. Great. go ahead, respect to And with sorry, -- then

Charles Duncan

No, please. listening I to was you.

Andy Kidd

what data in think the But addition, we And asking those. you able study. or with study second as a are of measures so feedback to and far are make just respect on course endpoints comment from a question, well would think So be any over format you I I don't of to sleep. a clarify fatigue the you're obviously, to what in we that global blinded the clarify have to measure I sense meaningful improvement -- -- just so think on meant, in obviously the that collecting we asking

be the of time think improved versus improvements have I unwinded, the fairly able we get So to relative symptoms picture which do clear over will symptom a one data once we over and another.

Charles Duncan

you or challenges fatigue challenges you follow-up fatigue and I'm peripheral compare you and i.e., can be proceeds, to if And I And study? pain, guess ask the ,over contrast improvement course pain prepared of in data, data would and expect pain the for ,not report pain. centralized shorter on sleep will that wondering weekly be data an and basis data versus sleep sleep you proceed I to able then fatigue only if fatigue a a period of out pain in to demonstrate when and but time. sleep over a

Andy Kidd

we have second Affairs. answer our the I'll then may the Clinical who's -- also of So and VP I Murck part, and Medical on Harald have line,

scale the and to sleep fatigue to So the time have might and symptoms. relative I speak pain

them the so endpoints device week. different you from our the recall, slightly is data day, a the every we are because has patient home measured with analyze think probably as day on of that study, at can time patient-reported every pain I captured points handheld at every

So that's a non data other patient-reported captured visits, basis. the continuous at study more are most endpoints going of points. Most pain to be which are commonly monthly

of So granular. time known do on as you themselves, be fibromyalgia, A the there lot comment will a But time is not on course about little to your but course. symptoms but bit a not Harald, want the that. comment

Harald Murck

course, in I sleep clinical a perception be that hand the the prominent. sleep needs similar way. But or is mean, start or perspective, we regulation. know know Pain a be other paying interaction. fatigue from brain pain from prominent as what we these far is more as in happen you on And we involved quite threshold a things can the of bit deprivation change of or sleep disturbances. regions there have literature, can a one the can of mean, other and to I more

identify, it there if let's not it's would sequence, a subset a clear patients. is specific think that of say, I

have We data our find out. to and at look

Charles Duncan

talking data it the some about to and more. forward look I'll Okay.


next is question Lee Joon line Truist from The Securities. of the with

Unidentified Analyst

people might the on your DPN outside Austin think placebo being lax, is from more reduced XXXX, of walking just This given separation I NRS restrictions just in the study? on have on do the scale nowadays you COVID continuing more that more Joon. sort guess for

Andy Kidd

interesting So question.

part, if the XXXX, period enrollment through study for run basically from you whole treatment QX to most take the around think the XXXX I account. the QX of into for period of

were are restrictions a were where factors and ebbs in the by flows geography, certainly quite it's U.S. factors you bit So And in behavior little probably background period. in different and there time. over COVID long depending on and that different Those a probably time

a difficult any would any not those and any factors. and where inconsistency a difficult really think made is I the and difference. lot we're geography ascribe we've that to a see consistent I if It's it's time trends period single to trend, a very, clear, of So any such in results. very on those heard connection don't probably feedback practice, there of about really in say between a seeing therefore, being I think made very

look to So it's so there's just a much very at hard topic because variation.

Unidentified Analyst

you study? that's think you for fibromyalgia something look your into Do might

Andy Kidd

Again, later. very few a difficult. similar. I was think period in enrollment later would The equally months It a or months treatment be it and started finished treatment few just

forth. diversity of really similar, geographies and so periods time think, So and covered I

any possible it's So thoughts know you I or it that's probably Harald, on think don't I quite difficult. analysis, quite be Kathryn if do even would but whether have challenging. a

Kathryn King

in I modality addition use the to think what in of what is exercise varies also the for Andy described, fibromyalgia to Andy patients addition widely. -- therapeutic just I think

and Some of exercise prescriptive a will in program pretty have those come on have not. will some patients

wide So condition something would would activity at the U.S. factored an subjects. that. and activity, think of range to were be different in time the across things that geography range their have very Harald? COVID into their with respect of I we're different here wide impact like terms analysis in where a be for on But to also a different again, of baseline very times

Harald Murck

randomization of want hope trials is these hopefully just randomization. which And have the make general within sufficient that. subjects, I factors the care always Actually, variabilities or Yes. taken of a We'll which number that. a assigned very for cannot take are by well I these to are be care we point that

Unidentified Analyst

All right.

ask. can I more one Just question, if

on KX deal? negative your DPN, that how does financing the impact update Given

Andy Kidd

do want cover Ashish, to that? you Yes,

Ashish Khanna

which down came accounted that on recently in financing, no we're and dependent $XX tranches thereafter. March down initiation DPN pipeline. tranches upon is Andy. the there Yes, remaining was facility. total $XX really $XX year. the dependent, million -- one more we've Thanks, is million readouts the Neither of of start our this for in year of Those upon Sure. drawn impact. of September data, debt data The course, last milestones million The and upcoming on of across X of drawn


next Blair. line of Myles is question The William from Minter the with

Myles Minter

DPN actually exposure? achieve make sure That's do there they to on that study? optimal did product? in should the the this my on analysis tracking study, know you proactively that And about on Just that Was exposure one. patients first drug anything are any levels we how you fibromyalgia in those compliance

Andy Kidd

you to Okay. cover Yes. Kathryn, do want that?

Kathryn King

Yes. There wasn't PK with trial. measured in the high trial analytically. of throughout We level the drug saw a compliance very study

the profile to tolerability to dosing the itself daily fact, In in lends subjects. adherence

quite compliance have our general, study results. in So is wasn't the high to in and perceived impacted

Myles Minter

compliance give percentage? number a as you Can that

Kathryn King

front I'm of I in don't have that sorry. me,

Myles Minter

All good. next the trial. on just mild question and the XXX cognitive impairment is The

there. and change patients whether long for potential looking Just see XX on you are the wondering efficacy there. signals weeks? patients to drug over you that on Are are what improvement and of to that might you're see versus these that's hoping Just measuring parameter placebo in enough neuropsych hoping how the index Or on these stabilization there? specific you on

Andy Kidd

question, an Yes. profile I That's design. actually, and for great the a study the Myles. this drug. think, one, quite It's important And

nonhuman and that's rationale if So quite a MPTP drug. you published preclinical that's been in We expecting in in marked our suggest, the saw in patients an improvement in primates improvement. we would That's those the see are subsequently model. what saw mechanistic with we what to remember, cognition the data

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enough And think do that. is so to symptomatic mechanism. long a it improvement see is XX weeks We

time mitigate Although, study in of effects. steps tests. of these be taken to there course, some try practice design to can We've practice the over with some those effects

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Nachman next the of question Capital Gary is BMO The Markets. with line from

Unidentified Analyst

Anton Gary. This is on for

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Andy Kidd

Yes, that's great.

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Kathryn King


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Unidentified Analyst

Got it. follow-up. And for a

enrolled? mg any the in the pause For XXX are XXX and in -- in Why study mg of number mg of study not just patients modifications the include the to study? XX following increase the PTSD, there XXX that

Andy Kidd


the XXX-milligram as paused. temporarily aren't there to no, result modifications the XX-milligram study of So a being study

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from is Wainwright. Ram Selvaraju of the H.C. question next The with line

Unidentified Analyst

This is Hello, [Indiscernible] and the Ram. Andy team. for

So site to up capacity, program, XXXX with has the of resources et readout, terms the additional equipment, study DPN given respect for fibromyalgia this in component cetera? opened personnel,

Andy Kidd

along So need the the wasn't has data got so by study there in fibromyalgia It we February. really far that. that for enrolled fully time that was any

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there need So was really no do that. to

additional shape weren't is So study resources good in fibromyalgia and necessary. the

Unidentified Analyst

could processing you input. pathways. conditions component? of And about then disease sensory focused example, and other syndrome, with CNS target in for a is centrally For central best chronic the terms payment a is that to pain level acting a now large DPN thought have which brain drug not more rare with you peripheral you a conditions large pain chronic Have readout, the understanding

Andy Kidd

a great that's Yes, question.

I think that's right. exactly

previously of that would most from on indications. the follow-on studies. different we depend a follow-on of perspective general indications make we data the we X were Phase the range to sense had said that And the we space IIb these pointed and So got there said that think I a particular kind

is that that of further I still study but opportunity. is data some if if had would the follow-on been there open think, study It indications different be a So pending than positive, would I indications. group the the DPN door think yes, fibro July, to August, follow-on positive, in certainly

those would definitely definitely and interested obviously be still exactly to figuring out of our what in priority are we and committed plan. what how but that's indications we'd pursue them, So and part order

Unidentified Analyst

to just of the Great. sites study. the And for us indication an and give you running XXX, finally, are of Okay. percent getting XX-milligram completion able up

Andy Kidd

say it would close is basically I what is think to complete. that I being

we've as commented than part and and mentioned a slower again XX-milligram call, there are had XXX-milligram that had over that a on little But to been -- I think we think still been than little the in whereas So in I being has it terms slower study are moved we It I been sites take today. running. I some planning think, to getting were up I mentioned, that study. the sites last the expecting of

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with next question Blair. Myles a is from The Minter William follow-up

Myles Minter

XXX here? for follow-up scores study. prespecified impact just is then NRS and some might go versus terms be pecking you hierarchical go an you endpoint this a the that ask what the test. order? statistical that and individual in versus you the go XXX through How questionnaire expect do placebo the of Do of placebo because thing to before I outcomes step that for Do for versus I just label, the Or positive. secondary we placebo Just is down exactly go fibromyalgia order go in want XX? you placebo for milligrams and if fibromyalgia the in terms on far for to is SAP know versus can the the XX? how included

Andy Kidd

good That's Thanks, a Myles. Yes. question.

likely with a dose-ranging but biological from So effect these it our endpoints. didn't you involving didn't and of clinical a was it just informative it imaging and was a look, be of really us to basis an to a precision And XX point to the complete if very recall, basis clear, a size from view, fibromyalgia any give us give study estimate prior do also subjects. study perspective

a bit more So from more little this SAP to is a a perspective. going little be exploratory A of -- analysis. type bit an of

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Myles Minter

Okay. That makes sense.

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Andy Kidd

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Myles Minter

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Andy Kidd

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