Hartford Financial Services (HIG)

Chris Swift Chairman, Chief Executive Officer
Doug Elliot President
Beth Bombara Chief Financial Officer
Sabra Purtill Head of Investor Relations
Elyse Greenspan Wells Fargo
Tom Gallagher Evercore
Josh Shanker Deutsche Bank
Jay Cohen Bank of America Merrill Lynch
Brian Meredith UBS
Gary Ransom Dowling & Partners
Ryan Tunis Autonomous Research
Ian Gutterman Balyasny
Jay Gelb Barclays
Randy Binner B Riley FBR
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Good morning. My name is Dan and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to The Hartford, Second Quarter 2018 Financial Results Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks there will be a question-and-answer session. Instructions). (Operator you. Thank like now the over conference I to Ms. to would turn of Head Purtill, Investor Sabra Relations.

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Chris Swift

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Doug Elliot

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by strong XX% market. Turning partially X.X%. sales $XXX approximately prior fully from rates we're with our last from margin solid remains of was and Drivers employer excellent the and had group of earnings year. of million with tax of disability acquisition, to quarter, results, the sales up a life a XXXX we quarter, business mortality. the and favorable similar block $XX our lower million Group ongoing and including insured at were were on Benefits contribution our offset Persistency higher This core traction slightly pleased in quarter another

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now me Let over the Beth. turn to call

Beth Bombara

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on focus at At end total then the total leverage total AOCI. capital by June is our long which including total par, the our So term by we debt still ratio, which debt, excluding leverage XX and preferred of the hybrid ratio high dividing at XX%, was is also calculated goal.

focus Q&A and investment continued a the time. We good manifest very over decreasing both turn success the this and the integration sale strong acquisition. will XXXX and continue remain now path can conclude, the and to in of underwriting with call on results we group ratio begin so To Talcott session. closing I over the to Sabra we of

Sabra Purtill

Thank you, Beth.

We please about you instructions? the Dan, minutes for Thank XX could Q&A have you. repeat questions.


Your ahead. from today Wells will line (Operator the Please Certainly. first Elyse Greenspan Instructions) question of go with Fargo. come


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going in can basis should sense commercial we the on level right from forward? Is then about think you of see that of points and of contribution the comm. just in rating based off XX improvement environment If us a each. a just how there’s the what's you going And give


Doug. morning. Elyse, good is This

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about I are know as now also I down that the well you then also the as for guys disclosure great. capital M&A guys you you the was pro you about wondering know capital year. leverage guess you forma how early side, your valuating know debt know next due on managing think Okay, comes maturity you And appreciate how I return.

know XX’s. running probably is in still high you the leverage Your

about you does know up managing against how buy you your if leverage you're how So capital potential down you balance backs? with know thinking for and excess end


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Okay, thank you very much.


from comes Evercore. Tom question next Your of a ahead. line Gallagher with Please go


Good morning.

opportunities question a just current and opportunities. those for you position you'll comment does patiently made, look Chris; commentary see build suggest term the backs bigger like you over in M&A while on you'll capital management First buy wait for to M&A attractive that medium that opportunities that of the priority or capital is more that of


thanks that Yeah, talking before. were things Tom. just we've about Again, talked we about

business, From number the of opportunities, for the say building now. business, So our again. would been a consistent I that's mean looking I it at in philosophy acquisition our years investing

change exploring. signaling that other. priorities we So not go one you just would or It's our playbook way I'm know of any of down sort on

to So said returning our I my shareholders. in capital, in prepared excess than use for we if more can't we it are a good remarks, comfortable find


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segment. question a half Q, the more Benefits. By year on just like estimate quarter very in that favorable good your earnings Group then prior And From our disclosure it. the of development. Got looks for it of it’s had than another you

been that so seems to favorable having you've one-timer; it for years doesn't be sustainable. it Now a now, appear pretty several development

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think know it's I and then block long there’s on on to remember someone that a term the actually the disability important lag of when when they disability. in in timing sort disability up goes know end of You you

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thanks. Okay,


go from Josh comes a ahead. question Deutsche Please next Shanker of with line Your Bank.


other cost you get talked than there. savings prepared if a answer but don't the associated confident better the about transaction. I'm remarks, being more know with about I the Hi going to

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Josh, and we could then I’ll opening additional add an commentary color. just provide

is our go-to-market we you customer from million eight, nine very we time. right signaling period of said all nine retention side, in the is and outperform sales our an I integration good over now we’re $XXX essence months integration, that will know, about likely side As the month operational that indication or most longer side feel both force a since target

you and of disrupt year over base our paper technology just installing claim customer period policies If remember say of from business time why of conversion know you to we period hardware so the don't system time, completed longer Aetna paper lot a two we're and timing of we here. a of books a is these that that their our and our we that

real begins. So conversion process the just

little we're three into and – with network additional than to integration love capabilities is rate right policy, platform you But three know year our it a yeah Doug activity, term entire given now. dealing want our commentary the to So year you a longer Doug. if provide moving and any rate guarantees typical I’d administration maybe


baseline. I think that's good a Chris really

know have X.XX. in roughly You Josh, my Aetna the number I on for is head baseline cost the

think I XXX or significant when about change. XXX-plus pretty So

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good a gave on on workers You in going what's detail comp.

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questions. Yes, really good

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Okay, thank you.


Lynch. line Jay Cohen ahead. Please the of America go Merrill Your comes with from next question Bank of in


A Cohen of couple questions. Jay here.

from marketing understand Personal is tick-up. are First did I expense commercial ratio the side Lines the in the expense commercial driving you more spending issuance What's a ratio standpoint. the that higher side? on


and would looking I’m say experience continue just to at invest the but our add I technology we in digital customer. commentary, Doug, for Jay, infrastructure his he’ll

want it capability yeah, from over I the quarter-to-quarter core side we the is but are Commercial conscious to our part always say we on XX% systems through or it's know a you in true-ups particularly be else XX%, replace from whether commission say anything of would of years, profit commissions, are So from elevated some would that and strategy. wise. probably the sharing again Lines, essence of there trends I

what but would what that’s Doug, say, add? So you would I


a there large little there Yeah, well. bit in as of and piece Chris a is that’s compensation

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sense. makes Got it,

give issuing in The us a this leverage, and other deal a your dollars could can how big you question point? you sense on M&A, do given without stock of at


that sort about But do of good. of as you really Jay bit don’t we the probably in target, I for bolt-on. are disappoint speculation going a think it’s At the still the I’m range, of because a refrain this a to is metrics a just premium point billion in little any really past, anyone as accurate and company really premium talked sort here, $X lot and a

what that’s we So define.

is right just in we I still leave I So why that that’s would now you what are say would that’s that with. and bolt-on category


Thank helpful Chris. that’s And you.


from comes UBS. the question Meredith next with go Brian ahead. Please of Your line


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